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Showing posts with label Philip Gulley. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Philip Gulley. Show all posts

Saturday, March 19, 2011

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 3


Our old friend, Quaker pastor Philip Gulley returns.

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comment from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY

Gully, Philip, If the Church were Christian.  Rediscovering the Values of Jesus (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2010)

CHAPTER  3: Reconciliation Would be Valued Over Judgment

Pastor Gulley in this chapter is reacting to stereotypical thinking, which sadly,  too many Christians and Christian churches have traditionally fallen into.    He describes this stereotype as the view of God in which He is thin-skinned, always just before erupting into violent anger, and deeply concerned with trivia like whether or not you argued with your sister.

God is easily offended and you had better do something about it.  He has to be appeased or He will lash out at you.  So you stand in line and confess your sins.  You say some prayers you have memorized and hope God will forgive you … this time.

This is just for your little daily sins!  What about your big ones, and what about THE BIG ONE, the one you were born with?  For that one, God can only forgive us if He is satisfied by the gruesome death of Jesus.  Pastor Gulley call this a “dreadful view of God,” and he is right.

Gulley charges that “appeasement theology” was used to give the Church (I think he largely means the Catholic Church) power over its followers and to make itself rich. He points out that the Roman Catholic Church once had a list of financial penalties to be paid for absolution of specific sins, and he quotes Johann Tetzel, “As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs.”   Pastor Gulley is correct that this was an abomination.  Thankfully, that is in the past. (The Church, of course, is the entire body of Christian believers of every denomination.)

Gulley insists that what Jesus wants from us is that we sacrifice our ego and pride.  He is correct.  The very essence of sin  (a word the modern world hates to hear or discuss) is choosing one’s own will rather than the will of God.

Where I, and orthodox Christian theology, differ from Pastor Gulley, who is a Universalist (everyone will be saved), is indeed over the Atonement. He denies the need for the Atonement.

Pastor Gulley’s understanding of the doctrine of the Atonement is a caricature.  The wrath of God is real, but it is the result of His utter holiness. The Bible speaks of Him; Holy Holy Holy.   He will not tolerate imperfection because He is perfect.  That sort of leaves us out. But, because he is Love, He Himself solved the problem we could never solve.  He accepted into Himself all the imperfections, all the sin, all the evil.  It killed Him.  Then, He stood up.

The picture which Pastor Gulley paints as that of the traditional Church, he rightly rejects.  It has, sadly, been the one which many in organized Christian religion have presented to the world over the centuries.  Think of Jonathan Edward’s sermon, “Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God.”

To many today, it is the only “gospel” they know.  It is an insult to the true gospel (εαγγέλιον , the good or true news/message).  No wonder so many have rejected it.  Listen to one of them , Spanish film director, Elio Quiroga, quoted in Fangoria Magazine (#296, Sept 2010, p. 34);  “All of us Spaniards have been inculcated with this dark, guilty, ominous way of seeing life propagated by the Roman Catholic Church.  All this Catholic shit colors the whole of Spanish society, like a storm cloud, permanently over their heads.”  They think the same thing about Baptists, and Lutherans, and Methodists, and Russian Orthodox, and all the rest of us.  In Scandinavia, they even call us morkemen (“men of darkness.”)

God is turned into an unreasonable  bloodthirsty monster who demands sacrifices so maybe He won’t wipe us all out.    If we’re good.

Where in this caricature is the cause of the joy which enabled Paul and Silas to sing hymns while manacled to the wall in a jail? (Acts 16:25)  What in this enabled Paul to say that we don’t have a spirit of fear? (2 Timothy 1:7)

Pastor Gulley says that the Christian scriptures, which he denies are God’s inerrant word, justify both compassion (1 Corinthians 13) and cruelty (Galatians 5:12).  The Galatians quotation was just Paul using sarcasm to express his point.

My assessment: Pastor Gulley is correct that a culture of “recrimination and judgment “ has too often been the emphasis of conservative Christians.  Fire and brimstone to scare shaking sinners into faith.  The problem is that fire and brimstone, which is a biblical concept, can only produce fear.  Fear cannot produce the proper relationship with God: joy, praise, love, sanctification, holiness.

A climate of fear misses the point.    It really is fearsome to be alienated from God because Hell is real.  But, the true biblical meaning of the word “fear” in relation to God is positive: respect, admiration, astonishment, “awestruckness.”

The statement that “God is Love” is correct, but totally insufficient.  God is action, He is movement, He acts, He purposes.  The three Persons of the Trinity are united as One in their love for one another and we are given power to become sons of God, to share in that unity of love.

The false dichotomy between the fearsome “God of the Old Testament” and the loving “God of the New Testament” comes from our failure to understand the true nature of God.

The sacrifice which God demands is our ego, our pride, our self-sufficiency. We need to learn our place.

The paradox is this … once we learn our place as creatures created to praise, worship, and glorify the Creator, we are given the power to become priests and kings, and as C.S. Lewis points out, we are made sons (and daughters) of God, on the road to our ultimate destiny of absolute perfection, of partaking of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4).


This is part of a continuing chapter-by- chapter response to this book.  More to come.  

Saturday, October 9, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 2, Part 3

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comment from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY

Gulley, Philip, If the Church were Christian.  Rediscovering the Values of Jesus (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2010)

CHAPTER 2: Affirming Our Potential Would be More Important Than Condemning Our Brokenness

God sees His people as perfect.  When He sees us, indwelled by the Holy Spirit, He sees Jesus.  We are covered by the Blood of Jesus (Ephesians 1:7), the Lamb of God, just as the Jews were covered by a lamb’s blood on their doors when the Angel of Death passed over Egypt (Exodus 12:12-13).

Washed by the Blood of Jesus, we become white as snow; God doesn’t even remember our sin.  Our forgiveness is total and complete.  We don’t suddenly quit sinning but it does happen over time (1 Corinthians 6:11). 

We are not saved by faith and then saved by our own efforts for subsequent sins.  On the Cross, Jesus said, “It is finished.”  There is nothing we can possibly do to add to that.  We are forgiven.

Those in the Church can and do occasionally sin, but it is not in their new nature to sin habitually or continually.  We are not to live in a perpetual state of guilt.

Philip Gulley says that we shouldn’t leave church feeling spiritually bruised.  I couldn’t agree more.  A church which sends its members out into the world feeling beaten and full of guilt has completely missed the point of the Gospel.  They fail to understand how God views His Christians.  Don’t they know that the angels rejoice over one sinner who repents? (Luke 15:10)

The world is broken, dirty, bruised, confused, hateful, arrogant, spiteful … all those things.  We, who are members of the household of God, are charged with helping the world to see that there is a better way, even if the world doesn’t want to see it.

This is part of a continuing chapter-by- chapter response to this book.  More to come. 

Friday, October 8, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 2, Part 2

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comment from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY.

Gulley, Philip, If the Church were Christian.  Rediscovering the Values of Jesus (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2010)

CHAPTER 2: Affirming Our Potential Would be More Important Than Condemning Our Brokenness

Pastor Gulley denies the doctrine of Original Sin.    He says that a God who would condemn billions of people to Hell because the first couple tasted a fruit is despotic.  A very strong charge.  To respond fully would take weeks.

Every question can be followed by one hundred new questions and this is no different.  Talking about Original Sin opens up a door to numerous doctrinal questions; original sin, the age of accountability, adult versus infant baptism, what baptism actually means, where the soul comes from and when and how it is connected to the body.  I will discuss each of these in separate posts later.

Pastor Philip Gulley says that the churches he is criticizing see humans as sinful, flawed, and broken.  Look at your history books, check the court dockets, watch Judge Judy.  The world is sinful, flawed, and broken.

In this second chapter of his book, Gulley is responding to a real attitude in some churches, a strict rules based understanding of the Christian life.  This is especially prevalent in Fundamentalist churches.  I think it misses a vital point (who we are) and robs many sincere committed Christians of the true fullness of their Christian life.  We really are different from those outside the Church

In his book, After You Believe, Anglican Bishop N, T. Wright points out that, in the Kingdom, believers are to be Kings and Priests (Isaiah 61:6, Revelation 1:6, 5:10, Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 2:5) and that Jesus clearly said that the Kingdom is here now (Luke 17:20-21) as well as in the future.

Our purpose is to learn to live now as Kings and Priests, members of the royal household (Ephesians 2:19, 1 Peter 2:9).   That means becoming like Jesus and assuming the Mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:14-16, http://www.pbc.org/files/messages/4807/3577.html ), instead of living by a bunch of rules and trying to be perfect. 

This is part of a continuing chapter-by- chapter response to this book.  More to come. 

Thursday, October 7, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 2, Part 1

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comment from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY.

Gulley, Philip, If the Church were Christian. Rediscovering the Values of Jesus (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2010)

CHAPTER 2: Affirming Our Potential Would Be More Important Than Condemning Our Brokenness

Pastor Philip Gulley says,”I am weary of the church’s efforts to manipulate and shame me.” He believes that the church is a shame-based culture which uses embarrassment and disgrace for control of its followers. “For God to be good, we must be sinners in need of redemption.” This elevates “God at the expense of humanity.“

In his excellent (I highly recommend it) book, After You Believe, Bishop N.T. Wright talks about the type of religion against which Pastor Gulley is in revulsion: a Rules-Based religion in which you are saved by grace and then immediately go back under the Law, trying to live up to your new position as “saved.” People in this type of faith live in constant dread of inadvertently stepping out of line, of any small lapse of protocol and watch other people’s behavior for lapses which they can point out. They think God has a little scorecard He keeps on each of them.

Pastor Gulley calls this a mental illness. Bishop Wright wouldn’t say that, but he would agree, as I do, that it is a perversion, a total misreading of the purpose of the Christian life.

Pastor Gulley insists that salvation is not about “going to Heaven” but is about how we live here and now.  Well, salvation ultimately results in eternal physical life in a place prepared by the Lord (look it up), but Pastor Gulley does have a point.

This is part of a continuing chapter-by- chapter response to this book. More to come.

Thursday, September 16, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 1, Part 4

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comments from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY.


If the Church Were Christian. Chapter 1, Part 4; in a chapter by chapter series of posts in response to the book by Pastor Philip Gulley. Chapter One: Jesus Would Be a Model for Living Rather Than an Object of Worship.


The reason Pastor Gulley and others of his persuasion question the divinity of Jesus is that their primary source for interpretation is not scripture, but human reason and the wisdom of Christ is folly to man.


To Pastor Gulley, most Christians spend so much time worshipping Jesus ("believers") that they forget to follow His example ("followers"). This is a valid criticism but the question has already been resolved. James and Paul went round and round about it, coming at it from different angles and arriving at essentially the same conclusion. Both were correct. We are saved by faith ("believers") and not by works; faith without works ("followers") is dead. One without the other is deficient.



Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 1, Part 3

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comments from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY

If the Church Were Christian. Chapter 1, Part 3; in a chapter by chapter series of posts in response to the book by Pastor Philip Gulley. Chapter One: Jesus Would Be a Model for Living Rather Than an Object of Worship.


Pastor Gulley declares that Jesus' "promotion to divine stature contradicts the Jewish faith of Jesus." It does ... unless He was God and knew it.


Mark 10:17-18 can be read in two ways.

"And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God." Mark 10:17-18


1. "Why are you calling me good? Only God is good. I'm not God!"
2. "Do you realize who you are talking to? Do you think that I am just a good teacher?"


Those who insist that Jesus didn't realize that He was God and never claimed to be, have to ignore or somehow discount what is clearly implied in Scripture: Matthew 26:6-13, John 6:35, 8:12, 10:9, 10:30, 12:8, 14:6, 14:10, 20:28.


Jesus, unlike all the other rabbis, didn't appeal to what earlier rabbis had said to make His points. What He said was "you have heard it said ... but I say..." He spoke from His own authority, as the Jews understood that only God could.


His listeners knew full well what he was doing and saying; that is why he elicited such violent and hateful opposition from the other rabbis who heard him. They understood Him so well that they wanted to stone Him to death on the spot. John 7:25, 8:52-58, 10:33.


Tuesday, September 14, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 1, Part 2

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comments from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY

If the Church Were Christian. Chapter 1, Part 2; in a chapter by chapter series of posts in response to the book by Pastor Philip Gulley. Chapter One: Jesus Would Be a Model for Living Rather Than an Object of Worship.

Pastor Gulley insists that Jesus was a totally orthodox monotheistic Jew who never challenged any of the tenets of Judaism.  This is absolutely true, but Jesus exhibited no hesitation about redefining or "raising the bar" on the meaning of his faith.  "... you have heard it said ... but, I say ..."

Gulley makes the same mistake as many others who attempt to recover the "historical Jesus."  They are  correct to say that the organized church has often "Godized" Jesus to the point where He couldn't really be human (the heresy known as Docetism) and that, to properly understand Him, we must understand that He was a first century orthodox Jewish rabbi.  Saying that, they go on to make the mistake of thinking that He was only a first century orthodox rabbi.  To them, He was human; a brilliant teacher and religious leader; He may have even had a special spark or quality, what the Quakers call "that of God in all people;" but He couldn't have been God and didn't claim to be God.

More to follow later.

Monday, September 13, 2010

Book Comment: If the Church Were Christian, Chapter 1, Part 1

If you are joining this book review series mid-stream , you can read the comment from the beginning by going to the LABELS section following the last post on this page and clicking on PHILIP GULLEY

If the Church Were Christian. Chapter 1, Part 1; in a chapter by chapter series of posts in response to the book by Pastor Philip Gulley. Chapter One: Jesus Would Be a Model for Living Rather Than an Object of Worship.

" ... the era of uncritical acceptance of Jesus stories is past ..."

There are numerous extant apocryphal Jesus stories and gospels, many about His childhood and early adulthood, before (and after) his three year public ministry. These are not the stories Pastor Gulley is questioning. The ones he doubts are in the Bible. He believes that we cannot "assume that the gospel versions of the Jesus story are historically accurate" and that some sayings biblically attributed to Jesus (ie. Matthew 16:18 and 18:17, for example) probably did not come from His mouth.

Gulley questions the rationality of a belief in the Virgin Birth and doesn't accept the divinity of Jesus. In fact, he thinks Jesus, as a monotheistic Jew, would have been offended to be thought divine. Jesus' miracles Gulley sees as "pre-Enlightenment affirmations of the transforming presence of Jesus."

Insisting that jesus wasn't about His own glorification (this is correct; see John 8:54) and that rather, He was about humility and modesty. Gulley says that making Jesus God is an excuse not to be like Him.



Some perhaps would use Jesus' deity as an excuse not to be like Him, but actually, this is one of the paradoxes of the Christian faith. We can't be like Jesus but are expected to be like Jesus. We wouldn't be expected to be like Jesus if we couldn't do it in the power of the Holy Spirit. In his excellent book, After You Believe, N.T. Wright, the Anglican Bishop of Durham speaks of the development of Christian virtue, the process of sanctification.




There will be more to follow.


Saturday, August 28, 2010

Philip Gully Quotes

"Someday, I hope to find the perfect church.  I suspect when I do, they won't let me join."

"I do enjoy dismantling settled beliefs, not for the sake of wanton destruction, but for the sake of building something more helpful and beautiful in their place."
"... I can't respond to every hand written letter, especially those containing multiple Bible verses pointing out my theological inadequacies."

These quotations are from Philip Gulley, author of If the Church Were Christian.  Rediscovering the Values of Jesus (2010).  Starting soon, I will begin a chapter by chapter response to Gulley's important book.  I said important, not correct.  This book is a clear statement of one of the "other gospels " masquerading as Christianity. 



"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:6-8
Each article will be posted as I finish writing the response to each chapter and, so, the posts will not be concurrent.